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The world is gathered in Copenhagen in an effort
to reach an agreement to slow global warming. Elinor Ostrom, winner of
this year's Nobel prize for economics, spoke with Spiegel Online about
shared ownership, local action and why we can't sit around waiting for
politicians to act.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: The Copenhagen summit is about setting new
global rules for how we treat the Earth. But are people willing to
change their personal lives accordingly?
Elinor Ostrom: Under the right circumstances, people are willing
to accept additional efforts and costs. It all depends on trust in the
fact that others will also act. Humans have the capacity to engage and
see that their own long-term future is harmed if they don't change
their lifestyles. Under the right circumstances they understand: It's
not me against you. It's all of us against ourselves, if we don't act.
So trust really is the most important resource.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: How can we generate enough trust so that we all act in concert?
Ostrom: Rules set from the top are not enough. Successful
communities often have a few common design principles - monitoring and
sanctioning of the participants, for example. They also have conflict
resolution mechanisms in place and the people have some authority to
make their own rules. Under those circumstances humans can develop some
trust in each other - faith that if they take a costly action that
benefits everybody in the long run, others will also invest.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Why is it less effective if governments establish strict rules from the top down?
Ostrom: Because people will not identify with it. My research
has shown that forests managed by local communities are in a far better
state than state-run parks, where locals feel left out and officials
can be bribed. Let us imagine, we live in a village and have all agreed
that none of us is going to be in the forest on Saturday or Sunday, so
that we can give the forest time to recreate. If I then see you in the
forest when you're not supposed to be, I will probably yell at you. If
only the state is in charge, I will just walk on past.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: In your research, you focused on local and
regional levels. What makes you think that your solutions would work
for the entire planet as well?
Ostrom: Indeed, the global scale is a challenge. Building that
kind of knowledge between the different parties is tricky. We need our
global leaders to take some of the decisions on a very big level. Here
at the summit, those guys are talking to each other and gaining some
trust because they meet face to face. But then they go home - and
that's when the real action starts.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: Can money help to build trust between developing nations and industrialized nations?
Ostrom: Maybe, and it is hard to see a climate deal without
serious financial commitments. But at the same time, I am very worried
and nervous about corruption. If we pour money into a country in which
the corruption level is very high, we would be kidding ourselves not to
think that some of it will end up in the wrong pockets. At first, a lot
of the proposals on the table sound great. But four to six years later,
you have a lot of politicians who have money in Swiss bank accounts.
What we need are tight rules and controls to ensure that the billions
that might be put on the table here are used correctly.
SPIEGEL ONLINE: In other words, an anti-corruption task force -
like the one that exists in Indonesia - might be the best
environmental protection agency?
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