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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev talks to
Spiegel about how the fall of the Berlin Wall affected Russia, his
controversial relationship to Vladmir Putin and possible sanctions
against Iran.
SPIEGEL: Mr. President, you are commemorating the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall
with other world leaders in Berlin. Where were you on Nov. 9, 1989?
Dmitry
Medvedev: I don't remember, but I still recall very precisely
how suddenly our lives changed. I was a teaching assistant at the
University of St. Petersburg at the time, and I realized that this
development would affect not only the Germans, but all of Europe and,
ultimately, also the destiny of our country. The Scorpions' hit "Wind
of Change" became an anthem of the times. The Berlin Wall was a symbol
of the division of the continent, and the fall of the Wall united us
again. Some of our hopes from back then have been fulfilled, others
have not.
SPIEGEL: The fall of the Wall made former Soviet leader Mikhail
Gorbachev a respected figure in Germany and throughout the West. How
would you judge his historical accomplishments?
Medvedev: As the head of state, it is not my place to pass
judgment on my predecessors. Germany and other European countries give
Gorbachev credit for the fall of the Iron Curtain. There are
differences in opinion about his accomplishments for our country. The
collapse of the Soviet Union occurred during his term in office. A
great many Russians have the feeling that they lost their country back
then, and they hold him responsible for this. Whether or not this is
justifiable is something for historians to decide.
SPIEGEL: Your predecessor Vladimir Putin was not so reserved in
his remarks. He called the collapse of the USSR "the greatest
geopolitical catastrophe" of the 20th century.
Medvedev: He didn't connect this with the name Gorbachev, so in
that sense he was as reserved as I am. The collapse shocked everyone
who lived in the Soviet Union, regardless of whether they perceived the
disintegration of the state as a personal catastrophe or as a
consequence of the rule of the Bolsheviks. And it was really very
dramatic: A people who had been united for decades - and in some cases
for centuries - suddenly found itself in different countries again.
Contacts with family and relatives were cut off.
SPIEGEL: It was certainly a tragedy, but was it really the greatest?
Medvedev: In my opinion, World War II was no less of a
catastrophe. Tens of millions of people were killed. And wasn't the
Russian Revolution of 1917 also a catastrophe? It sparked a civil war
where friends and relatives shot at each other. The collapse of the
Soviet Union certainly ranks among the most dramatic events of the 20th
century, but it didn't have such bloody consequences.
SPIEGEL: A few days ago, you pointed out in a video message
posted on the Internet that "millions of people died as a result of
terror" in the Soviet Union before the war, but 90 percent of 18- to
24-year-olds knew practically nothing about this. What does this say
about the state of Russian society, when you, as president, have to
remind your citizens that Josef Stalin was a mass murderer?
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